Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/10/2004 08:02 AM House STA

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HB 319-REMOTE REC.CABIN SITE SALES/LOTTERY SALE                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2934                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH  announced that  the next  order of  business was                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 319, "An  Act relating  to the disposal  of state                                                               
land by lottery; and relating  to the disposal, including sale or                                                               
lease, of remote recreational cabin sites."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2970                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM  POUND,  Staff  to Representative  Hugh  Fate,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  testifying   on  behalf  of   Representative  Fate,                                                               
sponsor, noted  that the  committee is  looking at  [the original                                                               
bill version].   He  indicated that there  would be  an amendment                                                               
entitled H.2.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 04-14, SIDE B                                                                                                            
Number 2987                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:50 a.m. to 8:51 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH  turned to an  amendment in the  committee packet                                                               
labeled,  23-LS0477\H.1,   Bullock,  1/30/04.    He   stated  his                                                               
understanding  that there  had  been no  objection  to the  first                                                               
three lines of the amendment during a prior hearing on HB 319.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Although H.1  had been  adopted in its  entirety as  Amendment 1                                                               
during  the House  State Affairs  Standing  Committee meeting  on                                                               
2/3/04, the committee addresses it as  if it had not been adopted                                                               
at the prior hearing.]                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked if  [the separate issues addressed                                                               
in Amendment  1, H.1]  could be divided  into Amendment  1A, [1B,                                                               
1C, et cetera].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH responded,  "Yeah, I  think so,  except this  is                                                               
really going  to confuse the record."   He asked Mr.  Pound if he                                                               
had any suggestions on "how you want to deal with all this."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2931                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND, in response, pointed out  that the part of H.1 and H.2                                                               
that addresses page 3,  line 2, and page 3, line  5, is the same,                                                               
while the text referring to page  3, lines 9-12 is "different, so                                                               
that we define high mineral value."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH  suggested that the committee  define Amendment 1                                                               
as [including  only] the first  7 lines of the  amendment labeled                                                               
H.1.  Therefore, Amendment 1 read as follows:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 2:                                                                                                            
          Delete "12"                                                                                                       
          Insert "24"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 5, following "private sale":                                                                              
          Insert "under (g) of this section"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH clarified  that meant  that lines  7 through  21                                                               
[numbered  on  the  committee's   copy  of  the  amendment]  were                                                               
deleted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2890                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH  announced that Amendment  1 was  adopted without                                                               
objection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2860                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH turned  to the amendment in  the committee packet                                                               
labeled,   23-LS0477\H.2,  Bullock,   2/6/04,  which   he  called                                                               
Amendment  2.    [At  the  prior  House  State  Affairs  Standing                                                               
Committee  meeting,  the  committee   had  adopted  a  conceptual                                                               
amendment offered by Mr. Pound,  which they also called Amendment                                                               
2.]                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH  clarified that  the new  Amendment 2  would only                                                               
include the language regarding page  3, lines 9-12, which read as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, lines 9 - 12:                                                                                                      
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
     "(1)  prepare  a schedule of land  offerings under this                                                                    
     section  and identify  the  parcels  for disposal  each                                                                    
     year; the  land offerings may not  include mineral land                                                                    
     selected  by  the  state or  lands  identified  by  the                                                                    
     department  as having  a  high  mineral potential;  the                                                                    
     department's  identification  of  land  having  a  high                                                                    
     mineral potential  shall be based on  standards adopted                                                                    
     by  the department  in  regulations  and shall  include                                                                    
     consideration  of a  geophysical  survey or  geological                                                                    
     evaluation,  if  any,  that  was  conducted  within  15                                                                    
     calendar years  before the year for  which the schedule                                                                    
     is prepared; and"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2781                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH  moved [the  new]  Amendment  2 "for  discussion                                                               
purposes."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG objected for discussion purposes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2745                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND  explained that  [the new] Amendment  2 would  give the                                                               
department the  authority to come  up with a definition  for high                                                               
mineral potential.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  asked   if   the  department   adopts                                                               
regulations in  accordance with the Administrative  Procedure Act                                                               
(APA).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  WELCH,  Special  Assistant, Office  of  the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department of Natural Resources (DNR), answered yes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2685                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said it seems  that [the new  Amendment 2]                                                               
would change the nomination process  to the department nominating                                                               
parcels that will  be available for disposal.  He  asked if he is                                                               
interpreting that  correctly and  if that  change is  intended or                                                               
not.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  said it  looks  like  it is  simply  a                                                               
stylistic change,  because the phrase  "and identify  the parcels                                                               
for disposal  each year" was at  the end of the  paragraph in H.1                                                               
[in its original  form from the 2/3/04 hearing],  whereas in [H.2                                                               
-  the new  Amendment 2]  it appears  near the  beginning of  the                                                               
paragraph.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2604                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH remarked that the  language [in the new Amendment                                                               
2] seems to  contemplate the schedule being  prepared every year.                                                               
He said he is  not certain that DNR needs to  do that every year,                                                               
and  he asked  if the  language could  reflect that  the schedule                                                               
could be prepared "from time to time."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND  indicated that there would  be an Amendment 3,  and he                                                               
said, "For the  language that is being composed, if  that were to                                                               
be approved by  the committee, they would ...  ultimately be [on]                                                               
a year to year basis anyway."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2572                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WELCH said [DNR] doesn't  actually prepare a schedule of land                                                               
offerings,  but the  brochures and  public notices  that it  does                                                               
produce  as part  of its  annual land  sales could  be considered                                                               
"such a document."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  said  it  seems to  him  that  if  the                                                               
department decided not to offer any  land one year, it could just                                                               
say so.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND said that's correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[HB 319 was heard and held.]                                                                                                    

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